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jsolares	i think it would be a good idea to say on #linux that this
will be the translation to english of the conference
guugmembe	Oscar Peredo, from Chile is going to introduce the next
conference
guugmembe	as usual we are going to use #qc for questions
guugmembe	Welcome to the second talk of today
guugmembe	Oscar....
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guugmembe	In this ocation we are going to introduce  Dr. Horst Von
Brand from the IT department
guugmembe	of la Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria from Chile
guugmembe	he is going to talk about "SCO contra linux"
* Didier is now known as SFC
guugmembe	Dr. Von Brand has been a good help from our start in umeet
back in 2000 and 2001 when the first
guugmembe	talks took place
guugmembe	he is a really active person in th GNU/Linux atmosphere in
Chile
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guugmembe	and introduce this philosophy and architecture to the new
generations
guugmembe	he also has been an active patricipant in the lists of
GNU/Linux, gcc and Kernel development
guugmembe	and now with you Dr. Horst Von Brand
guugmembe	good morning, afternoon, or night to all of you
* clsk|away (clsk@0-1pool72-218.nas15.fort-lauderdale1.fl.us.da.qwest.ne
guugmembe	thanks a lot for those words you said about me
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guugmembe	just to make clear, the first 3 Linux meetings where
organized by German Poo, de la U del Bio-Bio, en Concecpcion.
guugmembe	we are going to organize the 4th and 5th
guugmembe	well, lets go to today's topic
* shadowtlx (shadowtlx@cpc1-norw1-3-0-cust121.pete.cable.ntl.com) has
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guugmembe	On march of this year, SCO sue IBM, because, from the point
of view of SCO, linux without the help of IBM was a kids bicycle in
comparison with a UNIX, an F1 car
guugmembe	that was, more or less, what they said
(Signed off)
guugmembe	in detaill, they claim that IBM ilegally took Unix code and
inserted in Linux
guugmembe	making linux a strong and solid alternative operative system
guugmembe	as you could imagine, all the linux comunnity raised their
hands in protest against SCO
guugmembe	and this are getting hot
guugmembe	After talking about the legal aspect
guugmembe	I am going to point out some important dates
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guugmembe	1965: MULTICS work starts between MIT, General Electric,
and AT&T
guugmembe	this system was stopped in  development in recent 2000
guugmembe	in 1969 AT&T steps out from the MULTICS project
guugmembe	and two developers of that project, who didnt find anything
better to do with their free time, took a
guugmembe	PDP7 and starts writing an Operative System for it, Unics
guugmembe	1978, first BSD Unix, at Berkeley California
guugmembe	were doing a great deal of the job
guugmembe	of the innovation of Unix
jsolares	1979 -- AT&T announces it'll begin comercialization of Unix
guugmembe	1979 AT&T announces that its going to make Unix commercail
horacio	1991 - Unix System Labs starts as a bussiness unit of AT&T to
work on Unix. (Until that time, AT&T was a thelepony monopoly,
horacio	that can't do anything else because an restrictive judicial
order)
horacio	Time before, AT&T was divided in a variety of minor
enterprises.
horacio	1992-- USL starts a trial against BSDI (BSD Unix vendor) for
Unix licences violations.
* pask is on IRC
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horacio	California U (Berkeley) was involved, obiously. Meanwhile,
UCB suess USL for violations on AT&T licence code that was introduced to Unix.
horacio	Note that BSD license on that time asks name the U and others
contributors. Nothing else, comercial use, derivated products, etc. was
alowed.
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horacio	1993-- Novell buy USL from AT&T
horacio	October 193-- Trials against BSD get resolved by an
arrangement, most of that still remain confidential.
horacio	What we know is:
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horacio	-BSD deleted 4 files and some hundreds of lines of the system
(around 17 thousand files ...)
horacio	-USL add the copyright notes that they deleted from a _large_
list of files
horacio	- Judge of the case says taht he doubt a lot that the Unix
code can be considered with copy rights
horacio	Note: in USA exist the idea of "public domain"
horacio	if is "public domain" doesn't belong anybody, you cant take
it if you want.
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#redes
horacio	According to the USA legislation, untill 1976 or some, if
something was published (or distributed under copyright note) it couldn't be
considered confidential.
* pepita is on IRC
* pask is on IRC
horacio	That's why AT&T decides to _not_ add a Copyright note on the
code
horacio	but distributing code without that note they "published" it,
and probably put it on the public domain
horacio	At least that was the judge's opinion.
horacio	[No, I don't understand more than you, this is a mess!! ]
jsolares	the judge opinion was without a detail study, and would not
be considered a ruling.
jsolares	considering the judge's opinion, USL had to withdraw with
it's tail between its legs (see the practial result of the story).
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jsolares	the result is that the *BSD's were free from needing a Unix
licence (originaly dummy for you, later it became very expensive...)
jsolares	note that linux began in 1991, and had it not been for these
battles on the Unics wars, the penguin might've never took flight
jsolares	Well, lets get back to the subject.
(Signed off)
jsolares	November 1995 -- Novell sells UnixWare (their version of
Unix, and (parts) of their rights on Unix) to Santa Cruz Operation (old SCO)
jsolares	SCO was the company that ported Unix to the PC for
Microsoft, under the Xenix name, and then aquired the rights to this Unix
(very primitive) from MSFT when they decided to go with windows.
jsolares	The idea SCO had was to complete their products, it was the
leading company in Unix for PCs for uses on cash register and similar devices
(McDonalds uses it).
jsolares	By those times the oracles that look into their crystal
balls already announced that SCO was going to be the first casualty to
Linux...
jsolares	August 2000 -- SCO announces it selling thier Unix division
to Caldera.
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jsolares	Caldera was one of the companies distributing Linux.
tailored for "corporate use". the distribution was quite capable, it was just
that Caldera came up with a weird licensing per user program, that made it
quite umpopular.
exceeded)
jsolares	Caldera got it's hands on money in the dot com era, that
helped it finance the buying of several stuff, like SCO Unix division
jsolares	The idea was to use the (highly developed) channels of
distribution of SCO for Caldera Linux.
jsolares	They also lent a strong hand to help the development of
Linux ( they donated a Dual procecor PC to Alan Cox, whom was beginning to
work on SMP)
jsolares	The problem was that they werent doing well with Linux, and
most of their income came from their SCO side... so they were in a bind
jsolares	SCO was going nowhere (they had two products, the one
descending from Xenix (usefull for cash registers...) and UnixWare (a full
grown Unix). the first one was obsolete, the second one was becoming
obsolte.) A Huge network for distribution, and a lot of clients with the idea
"if it aint broke, dont fix it", that had no intention of migrating towards
(the very expensive) UnixWare. $$$ went in $$$$ went out.
jsolares	They never had a profit
jsolares	March 2003 -- Caldera starts a trial towards IBM "for have
taken Unix code and ilegally putting it on Linux", and for "Doing so
specifically to harm Unix"
couldnt have made such a serious operating system", etc.
jsolares	Obviously this fired up quite a few people.
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jsolares	They staged a great scandal with the idea that Linux belongs
to them, y as such they'll begin charging a license fee for it (it's at US$
699. Hurry up that soon it'll be double!)
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jsolares	The legal theory behind such story is that the original AT&T
license specified that anything developed under the Unix base "must be
considered the same as the original software product", it's worth to say,
it's confidential.
jsolares	IBM ported several of the things it had developed on AIX
before to Linux (JFS, of course this code has a very interesting story as
well).
jsolares	Besides, IBM bought Sequent, from where it ported the NUMA
technology (Non Uniform Memory Access, basically built a machines with quite
a few CPU's each with ti's own local bank of memory (fast access) so that it
can access the memory of the other CPU's (slow access))
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jsolares	Also, Sequent brought a patent for a concurrent access
scheme without locks (locks are _very expensive_ en machines with a lot of
CPU;s, since it requires that they all syncronize) called RCU
jsolares	Well this was developed for Unix/on Unix, and as such
"confidential, under SCO's control"
* guba is now known as GuBA
jsolares	The problem is that IBM (and many others) had negotiated
aggregates to the license that would release them from this conditions
(Sequent didnt do it, so there is doubt if IBM's conditions are valid for it
or not), besides during the setback to BSD, AT&T indicated that the license
was _not_ to control third party work)
jsolares	There was also a proyect with IBM and SCO to port Unix to
IA64 (Itanic^Hum). when IBM realized IA64 wasnt going anywhere, they ditched
the project.
jsolares	The idea was to take the best of IBM and SCO, and integrate
it in a common product. According to anonymous sources, the better part of
the "best" was put by IBM
jsolares	Well, when this fiasco began, Caldera stock was at around
US$ 0.70 (70 cents).
jsolares	Crying before all the media that "Linux is ours!" their
sell serveral important licenses, to MSFT, Sun Microsystem and other lesser
ones
jsolares	The stock went through the roof (at the moment they are at
around US$ 16.something, they got to US$ 23).
jsolares	Weird case.. they start trail vs. IBM, acuse the open source
comunity of piracy, they demand pay for licenses to use linux (which is not
compatible with the terms of the GPL!), they claim the GPL is ilegall and
antiamerican, ...
jsolares	So far they havent showed even the slightest ammount of
credible evidence of the stolen code. Meanwhile they claim that "around a
million lines of code in linux is stolen/missapropiated"
jsolares	What they showed was a function, malloc, introduced by SGI
for a machine based on (surprise) IA64, that was never went on sale. the code
in case was eliminated a while ago, beacuse it was ugly. the rest of it is an
implementation of an algorithm published by D.E. Knuth in his "Art of
Computer Programming" circa '69, and that appears almost the same on
Kernighan & Ritche 's "The C Programming Language".. probably of public
domain, not from SCO in any case
jsolares	They showed more code "copied and modified to hide it's
origin", that was developed independently for Linux based on the
especification of BPF (BSD's firewall system) by Lawrence Berkeley National
Lab, and the original code being under the BSD license... and as such Linux
could have taken it without a second doubt (SCO also had the right to do so,
of course). That they had shown it as their code shows that they dont have a
clear idea what is theirs.
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jsolares	The current trial situation is that IBM started one against
Caldera for breaking 4 patents and violating the GPL in the code delivered by
IBM to Linux.
jsolares	At the same time, Red Hat (mad beacuse they were being
accused of piracy) asked the court to stop SCO from continuing with their
attacks, since it was damaging their business.
(Signed off)
jsolares	Other minor moves was a request in Germany that SCO showed
the evidency of the pirated code, or to stop from their public acusations.
SCO didnt provide evidence, it also eliminated the references on their
webpages as requested. But they were careless and a few were left... they had
to pay a fine.
jsolares	around may of the same year, Caldera changed it's named to
"SCO Group"
jsolares	the latest novelties on the case (december 5) is that before
a hearing with the jugde, he asked SCO that they should deliver in detail
their rights over Linux, indicating exactly where they are and what they're
basing their claims on.
jsolares	The request by SCO that IBM give them info was denied, as
long as SCO didnt deliver as requested.
jsolares	SCO is a small company (when it all began it's market value
was at around 70 million USD). IBM is a huge company (at around 155 billion
(thousands of millions) USD)
#redes
jsolares	SCO wants to obtain around 3 billion dollars for "damages
and losses"... in something that Novell bought at a calculated 220 million
dolars, and Caldera got for around 60, which shows how much the code has lost
its value due to no maintenance)
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jsolares	IBM business is "Intelectual Property", it's the company
with the biggest patent portfolio in the world. Their business depends
critically on the rigorous respect of many others (its clients).
#redes
jsolares	IBM is immensely carefull with the handling of source code
et al. Comments from inside indicate that any code liberated into OSS goes
through various stages of legal revisions.
jsolares	IBM is huge, they have separate groups working on more or
less the same thing for various clients, Where this happens, it's strictly
forbidden to have any kind of contact with the other groups.
jsolares	IBM has on hand the best lawyers concerning IP
jsolares	In view of this, and considering that the standard
recomendation from a lawyer to someone in a trial is to keep their mouth
shut, while SCO makes a fool of itself publicly, we can speculate on the
motive and results.
jsolares	It seems that Caldera/SCO wanted to make a huge scandal,
with the purpose of "someone" (IBM?) bought them up to shut them up.
(Signed off)
host)
jsolares	The unexpected rise of their share (SCO) favors it's
executives. But the public scandal only harms their judicial case...
jsolares	For IBM it's important to smash all accusations of
dishonesty. everything depends on it. After, they dont intend to buy SCO, but
to leave a crater where it used to be (Curiusly, "Caldera" is the geological
name for a kind of volcano crater ;-))
jsolares	MSFT is obviously happy with anything that harms it's
arch-rival Linux.
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jsolares	in what will it all end?
jsolares	There's no evidence that indicates that SCO is right. IBM is
a meat grinding machine, and it's been set into motion. All tells me that SCO
will be erased from the map.
jsolares	But is this good for Linux, GPL and OSS in general?
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jsolares	Of course this result will be the best. but lest we forget
that IBM is a money making oriented business, they arent doing this beacuse
of anice heart, but out of convenience. Mainly we have common goals.
jsolares	And if SCO wins?
jsolares	I highly doubt that the code in the case is "more than a
million lines" like they claim. if there is any ilegall code in Linux, it'll
be removed fairly quickly. and if that's not posible, there's the *BSD or the
(mythological) HURD. SCO wont get a penny out of this.
jsolares	For the rest, if IBM pays for thir bad actions (if there's
any), they have no right to charge the users as well.
jsolares	SCO claims that they apropiated and relased "technical
secrets", and if that's true, they are no longer secrets and have no legal
protection.
jsolares	They are now talking about reopening the BSD cases, and
although they've said many things. As long as we dont see any document in
court, there is no need to believe it.
jsolares	Well, to close up, a few URL's for whomever is _still_ not
up to date on the subject.
jsolares	Details of the legal aspects: <http://www.groklaw.net>
jsolares	A Summary, which is more or less up to date (and organized)
<http://sco.iwethey.org>
(Signed off)
jsolares	Relevant News, week after week, as usual in
<http://www.lwn.net> (Yes, you have to pay subscription, but it's highly woth
it).
jsolares	Thanks for your attention.
jsolares	[How do i ring the bell of your terminals to awake you?]
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jsolares
horacio	i'm awake !!
horacio	bravo !!
horacio	clap clap clap clap !!!
Geryon	thx for the translation :)
guugmembe	excelente chema, muy buena traduccion
guugmembe	most of the translation was done in Guatemala
jsolares	well and a lot of claps for Mr. von Brand :)
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SFC	Good work shinta :)
jsolares	thanks dutchie
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