| oviedo | alejandro, do you think will be well positioned in the market before new windows will be launched? |
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| oviedo | that is to say, do we have time to make programs with mono, and then migrate to free platforms? |
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| oviedo | talking about mono is delicate it follow the development of .NET and the ECMA specifications. |
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| oviedo | Is for that that characteristics like Avalon, Indigo, WinFS and WinFX wont be avaible until then But i believe in a positive way in the development of Mono and the creation of programs using this framework, like what we know with .NET 1.0 and 1.2 |
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| oviedo | Something we dont hve in linux ios a IDE like VS, so SharpDevelop is being ported to the Unix world At the beginig it was started the por of SWT# |
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| oviedo | one more question, the you say Mono goes like .NET and than the greater part of it is taken from .NET, do you think that .NET will take some implementations of mono or not? |
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| oviedo | But now we are trying to have a linux IDE with sharpdevelop using #gtk It´s true, Mono have news characteristics, over all new classes libraries that, maybe, will be adopted the people of mono, ms and other enterprises will join ECMA to discuss if those are inclided or not so it is possible that the improvements of mono will be included |
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| Alejandro | You have talk about data bases but you didn´t mentioned Oracle nor DB2 moreover you have libgda# to the data base acces, but more of them are supported |
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| alejandro | look at this: http://www.go-mono.com/ado-net.html |
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| clsk | There is some posibility of gcc to be ported to mono? |
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| alejandro | * IBM DB2 Universal Database |
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| alejandro | * MySQL |
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| alejandro | * ODBC |
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| alejandro | * Oracle |
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| alejandro | * OLE DB |
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| alejandro | * PostgreSQL |
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| Felix | Alejandro: ¿there are performance differences betwen .NET under Windows and Mono under Linux? |
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| alejandro | * Microsoft SQL Server |
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| alejandro | * SQL Lite |
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| alejandro | * Sybase |
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| alejandro | * TDS Generic |
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| alejandro | Felix: and with other OS. |
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| alejandro | Felix: I dont know, i have not done benckmarking betwen compiled aplicationsand executed with the runtime |
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| alejandro | But greater improvement has been obtained |
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| MJesus | is NET free software ? |
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| alejandro | i. e., Ben Maurer, has implement System.Xsl and it was quickly than the libxml C library. |
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| alejandro | When Mini (now mono) was aded great improvements in execution time were obtained |
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| alejandro | clsk: I dont think that, it was talked to give support to compile C# code. |
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| alejandro | MJesus: No, it isnt free software. |
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| alejandro | MJesus: but Microsof have rotor that is not free software, is like a shared license. |
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| alejandro | so, like all the software made by microsoft it is propietary. :-( |
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| clsk | When will we get a C++ compiler if it is gonna be one? |
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| Felix | Alejandro: How do mono handle the posibility of made malicious code? |
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| alejandro | Felix: It is all getioned code, the handle of pointers is all unsafe, but it sould be added. |
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| clsk | &/or C |
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| alejandro | There is managed C++. |
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| alejandro | But i dont think that a c++ compiler will be included now in Mono, at least, i a short term. |
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| clsk | then, what is managed C++? |
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| alejandro | a C++ modified version that permits the use of .NET libraries. |
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| clsk | ohh |
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| clsk | ok |
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| alejandro | it will generate IL like in the other languages. |
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| MJesus | i dont know how .net can be joined (propietary soft) in linux (free soft) -that is what i think mono is- |
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| alejandro | MJesus: You can use assemblys, that is the way of package your librarys or executables (PE). |
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| alejandro | and the you can used this assemblys in mono. |
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| alejandro | that will have refences to some classes and the dll´s provided with mono will be used |
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| alejandro | the diference is that it is free software. |
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| Felix | Alejandro: i dont know how .NET licenses are, but ¿could MS change that licenses, its byteCode or the virtual machine, damaging Mono? |
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| alejandro | im not a jurist, but Miguel does know it very well. |
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| Felix | Ok. |
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| Felix | More questions? |
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| alejandro | i think that if you are programing under ECMA there is no problem. |
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| clsk | does microsoft have the patent of .NET? |
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| alejandro | the problem could come from that programed out of ECMA, part of .NET is there and other part not, but, what i know is that there is no problem |
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| MJesus | what is the purpose of mono, why do we want mono, having java, that is free ? |
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| alejandro | clsk: No, there is no patents under .NET, only in some tachnologies they have created for.NET. |
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| alejandro | MJesus: Java is not free. |
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| alejandro | MJesus: Apart from having a free alternative to .NET, the execution of several languages |
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| alejandro | execution/compilation |
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| Felix | Alejandro: ¿how reliable will be mono at the begining of 2004? [in exmapletomake critic aplications, e-comerce, etc.] |
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| alejandro | but actually .NET , caught Java, incluided all that was needed and what people want to standarize it |
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| alejandro | Felix: with the arrive of Mono 1.0 critics aplications will be made |
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| alejandro | in the mono webpage you can fin several programs wrote in mono. |
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| Felix | Alejandro: ¿transactions handle under MS will be made under MTS or something new has been created for .NET, and... what will be used to the rtansactions handle in mono? |
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| MJesus | alejandro, lets see, if java isnt free, net neither. Ergo... if net isnt free, what does it in linux? risk all linux? |
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| alejandro | in Linux will provide easy aplication programing, so mono is a development framework for every system. |
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| alejandro | Mono could be used in windows, linux, solaris, hp-ux, macosx.. |
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| jbilbo | alejandro: a friendhas donde a conference into the university about mono and was questioned with that kind of questions: ¿dont you think we are favouring Microsf in his fight against SUN and its java. Dont you think we have to create a completly diferent language to .net to our necesitys (Gnome,etc) and reamin neutral in the fight for the market? |
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| alejandro | No one here has talk about using .NET inside Linux, for the moment for MS, multiplatform is (win98, win2000, win2003...) |
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| alejandro | Apart from the FreeBSD rotor implementation that is sharedlicence, you can see the source code |
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| alejandro | jBilbo: i think that all made by MS isnt bad, some times ms have good ideas and we can profite of them |
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| alejandro | maybe is java was free it could have part |
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| MJesus | it could be considered that Icaza works for M$? |
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| alejandro | i do think that with Mono, it ispossible |
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| alejandro | now you can create easyily aplications with only some code lines |
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| alejandro | MJesus: i dont know what you whant to ask. |
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| MJesus | is net more free than java ? |
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| alejandro | MJesus: i think Miguel has favoured free software all the time and, with mono, he will get the developmewnt of applications, firstly the desktop for the final user, in a eficient way |
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| alejandro | like in the evolution development. |
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| alejandro | MJesus: im talking about Mono, that is completly free |
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| alejandro | MJesus: im not discusing the fact that .net is more or less free thanJava. |
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