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| alejandro | riel: Xen seems like the sun e10k, with multiple domains |
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| used. :) | |
| xtingray | how "smart" deal with libraries versions? |
| LKM | riel: Xen is loaded as a new kernel in grub, but that |
| happens(passes) with the portability with lilo? | |
| E0x | riel: what about source tarball ? can smart in a near feature |
| do the same that do distro like , gentoo , sourcemage or freebsd , | |
| optimization of the software using gcc flag ? | |
| riel | LKM, lilo does not know how to boot Xen |
| riel | LKM, somebody will have to teach lilo how to do that |
| E0x | heh |
| E0x | thx niemeyer |
| client) | |
| xtingray | niemeyer: even if one library is coming from a .deb |
| package and other from an .rpm? | |
| _libra_ | Is it possible or Would it be possible to use virtual |
| machines in other host's inside a intranet? | |
| riel | _libra_, I should probably save that question for later, I've |
| got one more technology to present before the end of my talk ;) | |
| offray | niemeyer: I think that Linux package installation is too |
| much oriented toward filesystem/administrator instead of oriented toward | |
| applications-directories/end-user. What do you think about some | |
| alternative aproaches that try to solve the problem of package managment | |
| using a distro neutral packaging format and empower the user to install | |
| software (without crashing all the system) | |
| LKM | ea ok |
| offray | niemeyer: I'm talking about systems lika autopackage, |
| zero-install and klick | |
| offray | niemeyer: autopackage with their relocable application |
| system is trying to implement that policy, something similar is happening | |
| with 0install | |
| niemeyer | offray: We may discuss more about this once the |
| presentation is over. | |
| offray | niemeyer: Ok. Thanks :) |
| Connection reset by peer) | |
| niemeyer | Me! Me! Pick me! |
| niemeyer | :) |
| xtingray | he! |
| riel | hehe ;) |
| riel | ask away |
| moya | does xen need any special kernel support ? |
| moya | or it just runs out-of-the-box ? |
| niemeyer | riel: Have you seen any numbers regarding the overhead of |
| Xen, if compared to a "raw" system? | |
| niemeyer | Amazing.. |
| exiting) | |
| rexlee_ | riel: thank you very much for this interesting talk |
| Shinak | Thanks |
| smith | clap clap |
| offray | niemeyer, riel, thanks for your words. |
| offray | Very nice themes |
| niemeyer | offray: Would you like to talk a little more about |
| packaging? | |
| offray | The only thing I miss are the beers for a complete geek talk |
| :) | |
| offray | niemeyer: yep :) |
| niemeyer | Indeed! hehehe :) |
| "T-Rex") | |
| offray | I have been made some probes with autopackage, 0install an |
| klick | |
| p0pifty | riel .. thanks for the interesting talk .. specially for |
| xen :) | |
| offray | I like the long vision of that systems |
| niemeyer | offray: The relocation idea is implemented in RPM for a |
| long time already. OTOH, I don't think relocation is a solution. I belive | |
| it's a workaround for a problem that should be fixed by other means. | |
| offray | and the "empowerment" of the final user |
| niemeyer | offray: Doing an interesting comparison, one may install a |
| whole distribution in a different chroot using any of the usual depsolving | |
| tools. | |
| offray | but relocation is just part of the problem |
| niemeyer | On the other hand, I don't want to live with two or more |
| distributions in the system. | |
| offray | niemeyer: the main thing it that package systems are distro |
| specific | |
| offray | and need root password to install |
| offray | ... and spread across all the filesystem |
| niemeyer | offray: Yes, being distro specific is the problem. |
| niemeyer | offray: Needing root password is not.. :) |
| offray | that is not very end user friendly |
| niemeyer | offray: It depends on the end user, and on the tools |
| available on the system | |
| niemeyer | offray: If the only thing needed for installing some |
| software is typing someone's password, that's not very bad. | |
| offray | Well I'm thinking in a end user like my mom |
| offray | :) |
| offray | or the parents of anyone |
| xtingray | he! |
| niemeyer | offray: That's the point. Your mom doesn't care who root |
| is, and will certainly be uncomfortable answering all these wizard | |
| questions available in other systems. The best system is no system. :) | |
| offray | I have seen people crashing their system with "root powers" |
| adding repositories using a graphical and end user system like synaptic | |
| offray | niemeyer: but my syster can install windows programs making |
| click on "next", like in autopackage | |
| offray | look at long term vision of autopackage at: |
| http://autopackage.org/ui-vision.html | |
| niemeyer | offray: I have seen people crashing their system in so |
| many different ways. | |
| (Read error: EOF from client) | |
| niemeyer | offray: I have seen that already.. it looks interesting |
| indeed. | |
| offray | yep, people will always find the way :) like in the love song |
| offray | thinking in a Web of software and drag and drop installation |
| for end user seems the best way to me | |
| offray | the problem with apt or urpmi like tools is that they're not |
| end user planed. They have root as a architectural premise | |
| offray | niemeyer and folks I have to go. But was nice to talk with |
| you. I hope We can talk later in Umeet or anyother place in the Web. Take | |
| care :) | |
| niemeyer | offray: Thanks for the discussion! |
| niemeyer | Thanks everyone! |
| niemeyer | Adios muchachos! |
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