@ehj | hi |
@ehj | hi all :-) |
@ehj | sorry for not speaking spanish |
Mogurito | i ehj |
@ehj | i am swedish |
Ar3x | ehj hi how are you |
@E0x | ehj no problem |
@ehj | anyway, not too many of you speak swedish I suppose |
@ehj | so a picture will tell |
@ehj | http://www.ffii.se/ |
@ehj | who I am |
Ar3x | ehj okis |
@ehj | I am currelty in Brussels, helping EDRI with the data retention directive |
@ehj | you find more about it here http://wiki.dataretentionisnosolution.com |
@MJesus_ | ehj, wait a moment, please |
Tsunami | ehj: cool picture. :) |
@MJesus_ | the program is also here: http://www.uninet.edu/umeet/umeet2005/spanish/prog.html |
@MJesus_ | in this channel will be the conference in english (or swedish) |
@MJesus_ | in #redes willl be the spanish traslation |
@MJesus_ | in #qc Questions and commentary |
FractuS | MJesus put that on topic |
@ehj | I would like to have questions. |
@MJesus_ | this channel will be moderated. Please ask the questions etc, in #qc |
@MJesus_ | ok! |
@ehj | will I see them here in this window? (I am not used to this irc client) |
@riel | ok, I guess it is time to start this year's Umeet |
@riel | this year the opening presentation will be done by Erik Josefsson from the FFII |
@ehj | ok thanks |
@riel | Erik has been involved in one of the big struggles between the world of large proprietary software companies, and small and open source software companies |
@riel | this is the 3rd stage in one of Gandhi's quotes: |
@riel | [x] First, they ignore you. |
@riel | [x] Then they laugh at you. |
@riel | [x] Then they fight you. |
@riel | [ ] Then you win. |
@riel | the FFII has been doing an awesome job this last year |
* riel hands Erik the virtual microphone ;) |
@riel | as usual - if you have questions you can ask them at any time |
@riel | just not here, but in the #qc channel |
@ehj | thanks, I hope the #qc moderator will poste the questions here so I see them :-) |
@MJesus_ | ok! we will do it |
@ehj | the fight against the next directive wil be different |
@ehj | because it will probably involve a more complex package of both IPR-enforcement and Community patent issues |
@ehj | also |
@ehj | as the Data Retention directive shows, ther is now a new avenue of "fast track" legislation |
@ehj | where EPP+PSE group leadres can make deals with Council and Commission |
@ehj | and get them in "1st reading deals" |
@ehj | that means nobody will have a clue what and when |
@ehj | the legislation will contain and be presented |
@ehj | basically it means we wil need "alerting software" to scan what is coming out of the EU institutions |
@ehj | because so far there is no input from either civil,society now SME industry INTO the EU institutions |
@ehj | because so far there is no input from either civil society nor SME industry INTO the EU institutions |
@ehj | input comes from the BIG lobby |
@ehj | so, bascally we are fighting an informtion war |
@ehj | where MEPs will have to trust either their group leaders, the big lobby, or us |
@ehj | saying "NO to swpats" wil not be enough in the next round |
@riel | will individual MEPs (members of european parliament) even have the chance to read law proposals before the parties vote on it? |
@ehj | riel, as you can see from the data retention wiki |
@ehj | there is a vote next week, but "Amendments tabled" are not available in all languages |
@ehj | http://wiki.dataretentionisnosolution.com |
@ehj | normally the "co-decision procedure" involves three readings |
@ehj | but "Trilogs" are used increasingly |
@ehj | meaning that the Parliament is becoming as untransparant as the Council |
@riel | what does this mean for european democracy? and, is there anything people can do about it? |
@ehj | here is a script :-) |
@ehj | http://www.ffii.org/~gibuskro/dataret/?M=A |
@ehj | oh... sorry |
@ehj | not that obvoius... |
@ehj | "peole" can do whatever "people" want |
@ehj | but particularily programmers can help tracking and processing information |
@ehj | like the gauss project |
@ehj | http://gauss.ffii.org/ |
@ehj | on top of that software we ("programmers") can alert when a dangerous patent is granted |
@ehj | and see when opposition is filed etc |
@ehj | basically make all these things more transparant |
@MJesus_ | [18:12] <Tsunami> kinda scary and invasive copyright legislation that france is getting |
@MJesus_ | [18:13] <Tsunami> if nothing stops then, those poor french will get kinda screwed this time |
@MJesus_ | [18:13] <Tsunami> Friday November 18th, 2005, French Department of Culture. SNEP and SCPP have told Free Software authors: "You will be required to change your licenses." SACEM add: "You shall stop publishing free |
@ehj | yes, that is a kind of "rubber band tactic" |
@ehj | they propose something completely outrageous (like 15 years data retention) to get something they really want |
@MJesus_ | and warn they are ready "to sue free software authors who will keep on publishing source code" should the "VU/SACEM/BSA/FA Contents Department"[1] bill proposal pass in the Parliament. |
@MJesus_ | [18:12] <Tsunami> http://www.boingboing.net/2005/12/02/france_about_to_get_.html |
@MJesus_ | [18:54] <Tsunami> is that it seems what they're trying to do is to implement some european union directive they're being required to |
@MJesus_ | [18:55] <Tsunami> if there isn't some serious opposition, it'll get implemented |
@MJesus_ | [18:55] <Tsunami> and then, other european countries will follow, one after another |
@ehj | maybe |
@ehj | did you hear any comment from IBM or any other big comnpany on this proposal? |
@Tsunami | No, this is all new to me |
@Tsunami | so I'm still trying to figure out what's falling upon our heads. |
@Tsunami | to me, it does look that those "intelectual property" people are running amok |
@Tsunami | I've even read somewhere that they're interested in the data that could be gathered from this data retention we're trying to stop |
@Tsunami | in order to fight what they call piracy |
@Tsunami | It seems whatever it's left of our rights it's under heavy attack from all fronts |
@ehj | yes, Disney et al want to access the logs to "fight piracy" |
@Tsunami | This france thing also requires... * A universal wiretapping system for private communication [This is defined elsewhere as a system to check for, say, music files attached to email messages, and not one that would violate the "secret of private correspondence".] |
@Tsunami | and * Creation of a universal filering system for all ISPs |
@Tsunami | which scares me the most... |
@Tsunami | hm, it seems there's some insight on eucd.info, http://eucd.info/index.php?English-readers |
@Tsunami | An amendment to the proposed DADVSI bill has the aim of making criminal counterfeiting out of publication, distribution and promotion of all software susceptible to being used to open up data protected by author's right and not integrating a method of controlling and tracking private usage (technical measure). All software permitting downloads is concerned, such as certain instant messaging software (chat) and all server software (P2P, HTTP, FTP, SSH). This ... |
@Tsunami | ... surrealist amendment has been redirected from its start by Vivendi Universal, then reworked by many members of the Sirinelli commission, a commission of the High Council of Literary and Artistic Property CSPLA. |
@ehj | terrible.... |
@ehj | are there more questions? |
@Tsunami | yeah |
@Tsunami | what should we be fighting against? since it's an attack from all sides. |
@ehj | FFII is reorganising from after swpat victory in July |
@ehj | we have a new president, Pieter Hintjens |
@ehj | and some new initiatives in e.g. Czech republic |
@ehj | I think it is important now to work on a national level |
@ehj | because we still have national parliaments and national politicians |
@Tsunami | well, I guess some of them still remember ffii from the swpats issue |
@ehj | yes |
@ehj | floran ueller also got the "campaigner of the year" award |
@ehj | floran Mueller also got the "campaigner of the year" award |
@ehj | recently |
@ehj | and I am in the EP quite often |
@ehj | sorry to have been silent |
@ehj | are there more questions? |
SKyd3R | bravo! |
AdrianPe | muy bueno el debate por cierto |
Oroz | Thank you very much to Erik for being today with us |
@ehj | thanks |
@ehj | i think this meeting is somewhat symptomatic |
@ehj | that there are questions on "what can we do"? |
@ehj | and a lot of scary developements |
@ehj | I think the classical answer is "organise". |
@ehj | or get organised |
Oroz | true :) |
Oroz | Maybe if nobody has any more questions we could go on with our next talk? |
@ehj | I hope myself that FFII will be ready soon, not only for the "next battle" |
@ehj | but also to set the agenda |
@ehj | in political fora like national parliaments |
@ehj | There are quite a few national chapters of FFII, but it is not necessary |
@ehj | to have a national chapter to get things done |
@ehj | I dont know from where most of you come, but I can only say that |
@ehj | I believe it is worth while to join |
@ehj | FFII or some other organisation that fights |
@ehj | against software patetns and for open standrards orfree software |
Oroz | I hope events like this will help people realise the importance of this issues |
@ehj | yes, the next step is "to do something about it" |
Oroz | Thank you one more time for being with us today Erik |
Oroz | We are running behing schedule |
@ehj | I e.g. hope FFII can help EDRI to make a voting list that MEPs can use next week |
@ehj | practical things like that matters a lot |
@ehj | thanks for inviting me |
@ehj | feel free to mail anytime: ehj@ffii.org |
@ehj | Bye |
Oroz | you are very welcome |