ThomasWal | a moinmoin wiki would be also nice, is it in edubuntu already? |
MJesus | [19:30] <ThomasWal> a moinmoin wiki would be also nice, is it in edubuntu already? |
ogra | yes, its in the package python-moinmoin |
ThomasWal | ready to run on default install? |
ogra | yes, it should (i dont use it, but our ubuntu and edubuntu wikis run moin on ubuntu ) |
ThomasWal | yes, seen them. nice looking theme. :) |
ogra | thanks, i'll forward the compliment ;) |
ThomasWal | if you also target older students, maybe include eric3 for python development, if you haven't already |
ogra | we are still inspecting the right IDE for python ... i'm not sure if it will be eri3 |
ogra | *eric3 |
ogra | there are several others ... |
ogra | and as i said before, we wont change much for this release, there will be a summit for the release afterwards where we will do a completely new app selection process |
ThomasWal | maybe you want to include eric3 for the advanced users and something much more simple for beginners |
ogra | to cover the changes that happened during 1 year of OSS development |
ogra | currently we have idle in the default install ... but thats not really abeauty |
ogra | gobby (a collaborative editor) is planned for inclusion in the next release ... |
ThomasWal | vpython is maybe nice for physics/tech teachers |
ogra | yup, that might be a good candiadte |
ThomasWal | btw, there should be maybe some mode (or at least some hint) how to setup such an edubuntu ltsp server in parallel to some existing stuff |
ThomasWal | i did a skolelinux install once and was asking myself how i get it coexist with some other netbooting stuff (rembo) |
ogra | yes, but since the target was a single classroom that wasnt in focus yet ... |
ogra | we plan to grow from the classroom to a whole school with our october release next year |
ogra | tha april release will only see polish as i said before |
ogra | but for october there will indeed go integration work go on ... |
ogra | like integrating in a existing ltsp netwrk, or working with a active directory server that has the student accounts |
ogra | the october release should also have a centralized user management solution (ldap based kerberos auth for example) |
ThomasWal | (btw, next moin release has auth modules, so you can interface it with that) |
ogra | and indeed a option to import student data from older systems or administration spreadsheets |
ogra | be sure i'll look into it ;) |
ogra | the leader of our chilenian team is a moin enthusiast ... |
ogra | he is puushing it a lot :) |
ThomasWal | btw, is there java support in the browser? |
ogra | yo have to install it post install, we cant include java on the CD |
ThomasWal | mhz :) |
ogra | sadly |
ogra | yep :) |
MJesus | indeed! |
MJesus | more comments ? |
ogra | but java, flash and things like squeak are contained in our multiverse repository,so its easy to install |
ThomasWal | great |
ogra | luckily we share 17000 packages with ubuntu and benefit form it ;) |
ThomasWal | another obvious question is how much cooperation is there, considering all those "linux school" projects? |
ogra | we work tighly with skole on the ltsp side, currently edubuntu isnt as "enterprise ready" as skole |
ogra | so we are not concurring at all ... the german skole team invited me to visit their lab in guetersloh next year |
ogra | we work together with the k12ltsp people ... since they plan to switch to edubuntu some day |
ThomasWal | in german it seemed every bundesland makes its own "musterloesung" |
ogra | apart from that i met some of the different german edu people at essener linuxtage |
ogra | yes, its very fragmented here |
ogra | we also work very tight with tuxlabs who install edubuntu in southafrica |
ogra | and mhz is doing a great job in collaborating with southamerican projects i think |
MJesus_ | more comments? |
offray | Hi |
offray | How think ubuntu integrate the work of LoCoTeams in the countries? |
MJesus_ | ogra? |
ogra | thats mostly coordinated by the community council that meets in the public #ubuntu-meeting channel on irc.freenode.net every second tuesday ... |
ogra | (its not really edubuntu specific though) |
MJesus_ | what's is the work of LoCoTeams ? |
ogra | they do the local support, translations etc |
ogra | LoCo means local community ... |
offray | Another question, doesnt related properly with edubuntu, but related with ubuntu is: using the sid branch doesnt let all the rigorous quality assurance process out of Ubuntu? |
ogra | you mean using debian ? |
offray | This could be a feature in all Ubuntu related proyects |
offray | yep |
ogra | they are not binary compatible ... |
ogra | thats not possible with our and debians release schedule, they differ to much ... |
offray | let me remake my question: |
ogra | we are 100% compatible in the source, but our binarys are sabilized in another timeframe and linked against other librarys |
offray | being not binary compatible with debian are you not loosing the QA process behind debian wich is famous cause in the stability and quality on Debian? |
ogra | nope, the QA process is bound to the sourec, not the inarys ... the binary QA we have to do ourselves ince as i said, thets 100% depending on our release schedule |
ogra | in a 6 months release cycle only 2 monthst are for open development, the rest is for QA |
offray | Ok. Thanks :) |
ogra | :) |
offray | so, QA on source works the same in SID, sarge or Etch? |
ogra | indeed changes to the source we make in the QA to fix bugs during the 4 months are offered for adoption in debina |
ogra | mark has written a nice FAQ about it ... |
ogra | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth |
offray | Ohh ok. I will re-read it (I loose the QA point). Another one: ¿Being a educative distro, have you thought about integrating a system like Klik, autopackage or ZeroInstall? |
ogra | nope |
ogra | they are not marture enough and are not safe ... |
ogra | we will see smart as package management soon |
ogra | and edubuntu itself works only inside of ubuntu, so separate changes to the packaging system are not possible, we are bound to what ubuntu uses |
offray | Here comes a philosophical one: :P What do you think about GoboLinux (I have to ask, not all the time I have something like you available :P) |
ogra | i have never seen it, but will take a look |
ogra | (i'm 16h available in the ubuntu channels and in #edubuntu on irc.freenode.net ;) ) |
ogra | (16h a day) |
offray | Some people think that Unix FS is showing its age and may be some reordering could make thinks easier for most people |
MJesus_ | more comments? |
offray | Ok :) |
offray | Yep I have one! |
offray | the last one. I promise |
ogra | offray, i dont think there is anything wrong with the FS itself... but i think its the job of good GUI to hide the FS from the user |
ogra | thats why i personally prefer gnome for example ... even my mother can use it without getting confused |
ogra | (but thats personal preference indeed) |
offray | Well, Gobo thinks also the FS can be used to manage software installation and versioning, something like /Programs/KDE/3.2 and /Programs/KDE/3.4/ coudl coexist in the same system |
offray | here comes (I promise :P) |
offray | well but that was not my last comment |
ogra | that sounds like a ripoff of osX |
MJesus_ | are you developing it offray ? |
offray | Yep, its some inspiration behind (and in Autopackage, ZeroInstall and Klik) |
offray | MJesus, I'm working in something similar for Tangram Linux |
ogra | indeed such install directory can coexist, but you have to take into account that the librarys underneath change, that will quickly become a maintenance mess |
offray | Well, using the Idea of Application Directories (in AP, ZI and Klik) the do not get the maintenance mess |
offray | but here is my las coment, truly |
ogra | you get into maintenance hell as soon as the ABI of a lib changes ... |
offray | Mako Hill said in some of his blog post that a successfull free software project must be a lot of thing for a lot of different people and Mark talk about making different distros using Ubuntu (Kubuntu, Edubuntu)... what do you think about trying to keep differences (for example in package instalation or FS) and working together with Ubuntu people? |
offray | *a lot of things |
ogra | thats hard to maintain, but surely possible ... |
ogra | since a distro has to decide for one FS structure and for one packaging system ... |
ogra | if oyu differ from this, the amount maintenance work in your separate tree will be very big and require a lot of manpower |
ogra | i would always grab the core components the distro i derive from uses |
ogra | else it will be a lot of work ... |
ogra | the big advantage i have with edubuntu is that i shre the complete base with ubuntu or kubuntu, my changes happen on the highest level, not in the core |
offray | unless you make some kind of intelligent automatization (agents, ontologies on the knowledge packaged on the original distro and the derived one) |
offray | Thanks a lot for your expo and your comments :) |
ogra | so i dont have to care about things like packaging system or filesystem structure and can rely on the work of the distro team |
offray | but still is SciFi :) |
ogra | thanks for the questios :) |
MJesus_ | very interesting ! |
offray | I mean SciFi on ontologies and agents helping you to make a distro (the system put some things in disorder) |
ogra | as i said, dont hassle to hunt me down on freenode.net if you have questions :) |
ogra | thanks MJesus_ :) |
MJesus_ | Thanks a lot for your expo and your comments :) |
* ogra takes a bow :) |
offray | clap^n, n >> 10000^10000 |
MJesus_ | thanks also all yours! |
offray | ;) |
MJesus_ | offray :) |
ogra | :) |
MJesus_ | thanks to spanish traslators (still working in #redes) |
ogra | oh yes, i made a lot of typos, i hope i didnt make it to hard for them ... |
ogra | MJesus_, btw feel free to ask me for the next conference (in 1 year ?) |
offray | And I made it too, to put them to work!! |
lucasvo | ogra: why not every six months, than you can talk about dapper+1 |
offray | that was a lie, TransTeam, you make a nice good work |
offray | dapper 1? |
ogra | lucasvo, i cant force umeet to do it more often than they want ;) |
lucasvo | ah, hm what is umeet? |
ogra | offray, the current development release is named dapper |
ogra | lucasvo, the people doing this event here :) |
lucasvo | ogra: ah yes that was my question, how do I have to change feeds to upgrade to dapper? |
ogra | offray, so dapper+1 is the october relase |
lucasvo | will it do any serious harm to my pc? |
ogra | nope |
MJesus_ | next talk will be at 21:00 GMT Michael Meeks "OpenOffice" |
ogra | not if you upgrade from one stabe release to another |
offray | Well folks I have to go (I'm supposed in my work) |
lucasvo | ogra: stabe->stable? |
ogra | yes, i have atechnical board meeting now, thanks a lot for the stage.... |
lucasvo | ogra: I would like to upgrade now |
offray | MJesus, ogra, people, thanks a lot for another nice Umeet |
offray | Conference |
ogra | lucasvo, lets take it to #edubuntu |
lucasvo | ogra: can I join the meeting? |
lucasvo | ogra: yes |
MJesus_ | and thanks you all! |
ogra | lucasvo, all ubuntu meetings are public |
offray | Bye |
ogra | bye |
lucasvo | bye |